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Lisa Friedman with the New York Times. Where has a judge said that this is fraud? I'm saying New York Times said it, Lisa. Lisa, if New York Times is going to write that there is no evidence. Not true, sir. We've written that judges have not found. Okay, over the last few months, Lee Zeldin, Administrator of the Environmental Protection Agency, has made explosive, you know this because you wrote it, has made explosive accusations against the Biden administration, accusing it of insane malfeasance in its handling of $20 billion in climate grants. Now, as a legal battle ensues over those funds, many of Mr. Zeldin's claims remain unsupported and some are flat out false. Why wouldn't you write that there is any evidence? Would you point us to where the judges have found that there's waste fraud? Oh, see, it's not that easy for you, Lisa. See, because you guys are writing stories. These are your words. These aren't the judges' words. So if you want to ask the question, I'm referring to one of your stories. And this came out before the judges' decision came out. Now, if you were to, did you read the judges' 39-page decision? Sir, with all due respect. Have you read the 39-page decision? We've read the decision. We are basing our reporting on judges' rulings before then and since. And I'm just asking you, sir, where has the judge found that there's waste, fraud, and abuse? So you read the 39-page decision supporting a preliminary injunction? It's okay if you say no. No. Okay, that's okay. Nowhere in it does it acknowledge anything that I just said For people in the media to be willing to sacrifice your own integrity and the integrity of your paper to make a claim that there's no evidence supporting it, well, I could stand here before you and I just went through a list of how many? How many things did I just mention? Ten. And then you'll go out and write a story saying that there 's no evidence of any wrongdoing. I have a duty to make sure that we don't light on fire billions of dollars of tax dollars.